Tuesday, November 15, 2005

clever proof

"If there were no God, there would be no Atheists."

- G. K. Chesterton

7 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

I am an atheist, out and out. It took me a long time to say it. I've been an atheist for years and years, but somehow I felt it was intellectually unrespectable to say one was an atheist, because it assumed knowledge that one didn't have. Somehow it was better to say one was a humanist or an agnostic. I finally decided that I'm a creature of emotion as well as of reason. Emotionally I am an atheist. I don't have the evidence to prove that God doesn't exist, but I so strongly suspect he doesn't that I don't want to waste my time. -Isaac Asimov

11/15/2005 7:14 PM  
Blogger Goldie said...

Eh. Not quite as clever or compact as Chesterton. But I like it that Asimov admits that atheism is "intellectually unrespectable."

11/15/2005 8:29 PM  
Blogger Miriam said...

Neither is theism (intellectually respectable), really. [I was going to say it was at least more intellectually respectable than atheism, because atheism wasn't falsifiable, but I just realized that it's really theism that's sort of un-falsifiable. And I'm not enough of a rhetoric/philosophy/logic buff to figure out if any of that makes formal sense] (I didn't post the comment above, though.)

How's that a proof, though?

11/16/2005 8:27 AM  
Blogger Goldie said...

Proof may be the wrong word. I was thinking in terms of mathematical type logical proofs...as in, if this, then this. So I guess this one be one statement in a lengthier formal proof...

But of course, the existence of G-d can't really be proved one way or another...

11/16/2005 10:20 AM  
Blogger Miriam said...

Yeah, I was thinking of mathematical proofs, too. But creation (by a God) being the only way for people to exist isn't a given...

11/16/2005 4:50 PM  
Blogger Goldie said...

Well, no, of course not. The given is that there are atheists, and hence there must be a G-d, otherwise the atheists would have no arguement. Okay, it's obviously faulty logic, since they can argue that there's no G-d not because He necessarily exists, but because others "claim" He does...But I just thought it was a clever line, and as clever lines go, they usually can't be tourn apart and analysed without finding fundamental flaws...

11/16/2005 5:09 PM  
Blogger Goldie said...

And in response to your earlier comment, I'm under the impression that theism can very well be intellectually respectable. But clear distinction, being religious is rarely intellectually respectable, only believing that there is a G-d is (only slight discrepancies...)

11/16/2005 5:19 PM  

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